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Accidental Collapse

PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:45 pm
by CFraker
Hello,

I have owned my Iwana for about two months now and it has been a thoroughly enjoyable experience. The website and especially this forum are wonderful resources as well as enjoyable to read. I have had a couple of chances to take my Iwana to a few of my favorite streams in the Smoky Mountains (North Carolina side), and after 16 years of Western-style fly fishing, Tenkara has been a refreshing new way to reexamine and refine the way I fish in the mountains.

Anyways on to my question. During those outings I have experienced once or twice the rod collapsing on itself as I go to check the tippet or change flies. I try to baby my fly rods, but I have been especially careful with my Iwana and that includes trying not to over tighten the ferrules as I pull it the segments. I realize that it must be due to me not pulling out one or two of the segments quite enough, but has anyone else ever experienced this? And more importantly, is there a chance that accidental collapse could damage the ends of the segments in any way?

Re: Accidental Collapse

PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:20 pm
by wrknapp
Has never happened to me but I pull my segments out firmly...so firmly that collapse is not easy although I have been able to do it without having to put my rod down. I just grab each segment at the base and firmly push it in as straight as possible. Likewise, I pull each segment out straight and firmly starting with the tip. I suspect you are being to gentle. It should not collapse on itself.

Randy

Re: Accidental Collapse

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:46 am
by rvrgzr
CFraker wrote:Hello,

I have owned my Iwana for about two months now and it has been a thoroughly enjoyable experience. The website and especially this forum are wonderful resources as well as enjoyable to read. I have had a couple of chances to take my Iwana to a few of my favorite streams in the Smoky Mountains (North Carolina side), and after 16 years of Western-style fly fishing, Tenkara has been a refreshing new way to reexamine and refine the way I fish in the mountains.


Where? I fish the Davidson, Cherokee Res., Mitchell, New, etc., and live near Charlotte.

Pull the sections out until they feel snug. The only thing you need to worry about is CLOSING the smallest top section. And Daniel has written about that on this forum. Watch out that you find you use your traditional fly rod less as you enjoy your Tenkara rod more. I enjoy watching other flyfishers stare at my simple Tenkara rig while I quickly put it together...then catch fish in water they've just left.

But, realize the limits: if a big brown or Raven's Fork 5 lb. rainbow grabs your fly and heads into a brushpile or to the depths of a deep hole, that 5x will not stop it. And don't make the mistake I did of using 3x or even 4x....It's embarrassing having to send the rod back to Daniel for replacement of sections. And I use a Yamame.

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Re: Accidental Collapse

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:30 am
by rsetina
I've never had this happen to me either. I pull the segments out and firmly seat them so much that a couple of times I had a hard time collapsing the bottom two sections. I don't seat them that much anymore but don't be afraid to get them nice a snug. You'll know after a few outings how much you need to make them so they wont collapse on you. I bought some paraffin wax and put some on each section. It's suppose to help seat them. That might help in your situation too. I keep a small chunk of it in my gear bag for when I'm on the water and feel I need to apply more. Probably wont need it but it takes up no space. I put it in a baggy to keep it from getting on anything else in the bag.

Re: Accidental Collapse

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:14 am
by LMarshall
Never had this happen either. I pull the sections out firmly, but not so firmly that collapsing the rod is ever difficult (no straining or exertion involved here). Like it has been mentioned above, long as you don't apply any sideways pressure (especially on the tip section) when collapsing the rod you're fine. To collapse a section I start at the bottom of the rod, gripping the top of the bottom section, and the very base of the next section, and apply gradual pressure straight down the rod. Sometimes I find that it helps if I brace the butt end of the rod against my chest.

Edit: I should say that I had times when I first started using my Iwana that I could feel a loose section wobbling after I extended the rod and started casting. I just started seating the sections a little bit firmer, problem solved.

Re: Accidental Collapse

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:40 am
by Daniel @ Tenkara USA
That can happen. Just pull it a bit tighter. Soon you'll feel exactly what is tight enough and what is too tight. I realize on my last "instructional" video I put a little too much emphasis on pulling until it is just a LITTLE tight, but in fact it should be pretty snug.

It shouldn't damage the rod, but if the thinner segments slide down to the bottom of the rod be careful as you try to pull them back out and avoide pushing the thicker segment down, they may be stuck on the sides beneath the thicker segments.

A couple of times I just had to open the cap of the bottom an put them back in.

Re: Accidental Collapse

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:19 pm
by rsetina
Daniel @ TenkaraUSA wrote:but if the thinner segments slide down to the bottom of the rod be careful as you try to pull them back out and avoide pushing the thicker segment down, they may be stuck on the sides beneath the thicker segments.


That happened to Sherry the first time she extended her Ebisu. I had to work and she was off the day our first rods were delivered. She met me for lunch and brought them. Being so excited to have them we open them and she got hers stuck in just that way. Like Daniel said above, take the cap off and gently remove the pieces to unstick the ones that are out of alignment should this happen.

Re: Accidental Collapse

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:51 pm
by CFraker
Thanks for the help everyone, I think you all are right, I was being overly gentle with the rod. Everything about the casting and fishing is so graceful and delicate, I think it makes me move with a little more caution.

Rvrgzr- I am located near Atlanta GA but it is a fairly quick trip up to the Nantahala and the southern side of the park (Deep Creek, Bradley Fork, Oconoluftee, etc.)